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We are planning on seeing some of the East coast within the next couple of months. Hailing from Tennessee, we are used to gun laws which limit only those too young to eat solid food from owning anything more powerful than a grenade launcher and have discovered that attitude is not shared by our northern neighbors in some states.
As near as I am able to discern, the only way to travel with a firearm in states such as New York is to carry the firearm unloaded in a lock box which we can not reach from the truck and stop only for gas from one end of the state to the other. It looks like our “assisted open” clip knives are legal with 3″ blades, but I have a harder time interpreting the legality of the bear spray we keep in the truck from our treks West.
So rambling to my question, what do you carry when you travel the East coast as a means of self-defense?
Steve and Andra
2012 F350 6.2 gasser SRW LB
Fab Fours front and rear in case we run into a rhino
2019 Northstar Laredo SCThanks Steve for a great opportunity for some very important discussion. The people here in California have voted for some truly foolish laws governing this topic. Without getting into a rant I would simply suggest you contact the NRA. Having a clear understanding of your rights and obligations is essential when it comes to fire arm transport. The laws from state to state very, so make sure your safe and compliant in every state you visit.
Stick to carrying only bear spray.
Even going into Canada, bear spray is legal. We have crossed the border with it in the camper a couple of times, Also found out, following a search, that hunting knives that have a tang on the blade for easy opening could cost you $500. Blueberries are also forbidden from entering into Canada, so the two of us and the dog had to eat a fresh picked quart before we were allowed in.Stick to carrying only bear spray.
Even going into Canada, bear spray is legal. We have crossed the border with it in the camper a couple of times, Also found out, following a search, that hunting knives that have a tang on the blade for easy opening could cost you $500. Blueberries are also forbidden from entering into Canada, so the two of us and the dog had to eat a fresh picked quart before we were allowed in.Thanks for the heads up. I am not trying to advocate for one position or another, but man, how about some consistency in the regs? You have to go state by state even for pepper spray.
Steve and Andra
2012 F350 6.2 gasser SRW LB
Fab Fours front and rear in case we run into a rhino
2019 Northstar Laredo SCSigh! And the misinformation continues to flow . . .
You would think that bear spray would be stronger than people spray, right? Or at least as strong as people spray. Turns out that’s NOT the case.
” Pepper Spray: An effective self defense against humans
Pepper spray <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepper_spray> is chemical,
non-lethal, self defense weapons <https://www.selfdefenseninja.com/>
available for civilian use. The active ingredient in pepper spray is
*oleoresin capsicum* — the same chemical in chili peppers that gives
them their sting and irritating effects. When pepper spray is sprayed on
the eyes and skin it causes:* Intense burning pain
* Excessive tearing
* Swelling of the eyelids
* Temporary blindness
* Difficulty breathingThese effects often last longer than 20 minutes, making pepper spray an
extremely effective self defense weapon. It is so effective that, pepper
spray is used by almost all police and some military units to subdue and
incapacitate threats.Bear Spray: An effective deterrent in bear country
Bear spray
<http://www.centerforwildlifeinformation.org/BeBearAware/BearSpray/bearspray.html>
is similar to pepper spray but IS NOT the same thing. Though they both
contain the same active ingredient – oleoresin capsicum, bear spray
contains a much LOWER CONCENTRATION.A typical pepper spray used for self defense will have an oleoresin
capsicum (OC) concentration of about 10% or higher. A typical bear
spray has a oleoresin concentration of about 1 – 2 %.The goal of using bear spray is to scare off an attacking bear, not
cause it to become incapacitated and incur serious pain. That’s why bear
spray only requires a small amount of active chemical – just enough to
irritate the bear and cause it to back off.”Source: https://www.selfdefenseninja.com/bear-spray-vs-pepper-spray-whats-difference/
Regards
John
I don't like to make plans. They cause the word "PREMEDITATED" to get used in court!
DON'T FEED THE VULTURES!
My Body is a Temple! Ancient, Crumbling, Probably Cursed . . .First hand accounts from folks who have caught even with a whiff of bear spray when targeting a bear give quite a different account of the impact on their bodies and suggest it is far from subtle. The range of bear spray is also dramatically different than pepper spray. I don’t want to use any spray when someone is up close, 40 feet seems much better to me and I have seen bear spray demonstrated at that range. Now if pepper balls with the laser sight becomes legal, that would be my first choice. 🙂
Steve and Andra
2012 F350 6.2 gasser SRW LB
Fab Fours front and rear in case we run into a rhino
2019 Northstar Laredo SCYou said “firearms” and not “handguns”, right.
As a general rule of thumb, any long gun that looks like Grandpa’s hunting rifle or shotgun should be fine anywhere as long as it’s transported locked up and unloaded.
A lever action rifle or pump shotgun should be fine anywhere. Hell, you could even take either into Canada if you declare them and fill out proper paper work at the border.Once you reach your campsite (or motel room, for that matter) it becomes your domicile and you can load it up for the night.
Me, personally, I reside in upstate NY and have a valid NY CCW, good anywhere in the state outside NYC. I also have non resident CCW permits for CT and NH. Plus a non-res Utah CCW that takes care of much of the rest the country. I stay the hell out of MA, NJ, and MD.
Oh, and that reminds me of a couple of things.
Hollow point bullets are illegal in NJ, so don’t have any of them with you for your lever action carbine if you’re in Joisy.
And in spite of the fact that there is a Federal law says it’s legal to transport unloaded guns from point A to Point B, VT residents who try to fly out of the Albany NY International Airport are routinely arrested and prosecuted when they declare their handguns (as they are required to do by Federal law) at check in at the airline check in counter.
(Posession of a handgun in NY without a valid NY permit is illegal, and NY neither recognizes other state’s permits nor issues non-resident permits.)
Best source of info is NOT the NRA but the Handgun Law site. In spite of their name, they’re not just handguns. They’ve got info on RV/Car carry, long guns in vehicles, knife laws, carrying on Native American reservations, etc.
Regards
John
I don't like to make plans. They cause the word "PREMEDITATED" to get used in court!
DON'T FEED THE VULTURES!
My Body is a Temple! Ancient, Crumbling, Probably Cursed . . .First hand accounts from folks who have caught even with a whiff of bear spray when targeting a bear give quite a different account of the impact on their bodies and suggest it is far from subtle.
Ah, but have any of those folks who “caught a whiff of bear spray” ever been sprayed in the face with people spray, so they can offer a valid comparison?
Tell you what. Have your wife spray some bear spray at you when you are thirty feet away. Later on, after you’ve cleaned up, have her spray some people spray in your face at close range. Come back and tell us if they’re more or less the same effectiveness then. (how the hell do you add smileys to this site?)
Regards
John
I don't like to make plans. They cause the word "PREMEDITATED" to get used in court!
DON'T FEED THE VULTURES!
My Body is a Temple! Ancient, Crumbling, Probably Cursed . . .Bear spray is legal in all 48 states as an animal spray, not so with pepper spray and if bear spray will “turn a charging female grizzly inside out at 40 feet” according to one report, I will have to continue taking my chances it will have a limiting impact on would be assailants. Plus, we already have bear spray from our travels West so one less thing to buy. 🙂
And above all else, I have hope we never have to use anything aerosol or otherwise. 🙂
Steve and Andra
2012 F350 6.2 gasser SRW LB
Fab Fours front and rear in case we run into a rhino
2019 Northstar Laredo SCGot off a plane in Seattle a couple yers ago and picked up our rental car.
Got to the Canadian border and settled in for a lengthy grilling. I was asked three times if I had any firearms or Mace.“Lady, I got off the plane an hour and a half ago, how would I have had the time to buy all that stuff?
It’s good to be a n00b - so I can aspire to be just stoopid.
Monrovia, CA
Bear spray is legal in all 48 states as an animal spray, not so with pepper spray and if bear spray will “turn a charging female grizzly inside out at 40 feet” according to one report, I will have to continue taking my chances it will have a limiting impact on would be assailants
Well, to quote an old line from a Firesign Theatre album;
“Pilot to Bombardier, it’s YOUR karma!”
Regards
John
I don't like to make plans. They cause the word "PREMEDITATED" to get used in court!
DON'T FEED THE VULTURES!
My Body is a Temple! Ancient, Crumbling, Probably Cursed . . .Thanks John for your expertise on the subject. I was hoping for just such a response. With the future holding an opportunity for me to travel the need for understanding all the requirements that go along with exercising my rights is paramount.
Along this subject line I found some additional advice in two older articles featured in Truck Camper Magazine. Most of what is discussed is just good common sense but it never hurts to reread good information. I’m sure all of you have broken many of the rules mentioned in your haste and excitement to start having fun, I know I have. Take a look at the category entitled Discover Truck Camping, then scroll down to the two articles discussing personnel safety. The time invested to read and think about what is written could at a minimum save many of your personnel belongings as well as your life in extreme situations that in these days are far to common.
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